Any live trappers?

[ncsuhunter]

have you guys heard that you have a senator trying to prevent you from selling your live coyotes to fox pens in SC? foxes are still going to be ok, but not the coyote. Makes no sense to me at all! might want to get on your phones about it.

[frankiem]

This is what I do to mine.
Not going to move 1 problem to a new spot..

[ncsuhunter]

that's a shame frankie...that's $100 - $125 you got layin there on the ground

trust me, I don't like the coyote...can't stand running them, but if that's all there is to run, then i'm gonna run him ...not a fan of them saying what can and can't be put in the pens...I don't mind some of the other parts of the bill, but this is just a doorstep to trying to shut them down totally IMO...another HSUS and PETA agenda

[scoutdoo]

Really hope they don't approve that even though I don't trap any longer and if I did, I think I would pay for my gas by selling them to a pen. The hide is worthless now. Frankiem, you are giving them a fit this year and good for you.

[frankiem]

Yeah I hope the bill don't pass... I don't dog hunt but that's not saying I think it's wrong ( even with the posts I make all are in fun ) but anytime they try to tag something to a bill no matter how small it maybe it's a door we don't need or want opened. Next year I may take some coyotes to the running pen, this year I just was set up to do that... easier just to put them down.

[sonofdsouth72]

me either and i dont even trap yet . like yall thats gas money or soemthing else for me ... . whats the guys name NC ?

[ncsuhunter]

S. 1153 (Word version) -- Senator Elliott: A BILL TO AMEND SECTIONS 50-11-2600, 50-11-2610, 50-11-2620, AND 50-11-2630, CODE OF LAWS OF SOUTH CAROLINA, 1976, RELATING TO THE HUNTING OF FOXES AND COYOTE IN ENCLOSED AREAS, SO AS TO PROVIDE THAT COYOTES MAY NOT BE HUNTED IN ENCLOSED AREAS, DOGS ARE ALLOWED TO PURSUE FOXES WITHIN AN ENCLOSED AREA, THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES MAY NOT ISSUE COYOTE HUNTING ENCLOSURE PERMITS, AN ENCLOSED AREA MAY NOT BE CONSTRUCTED WITHIN TWENTY-FIVE YARDS OF A PROPERTY LINE, A COMMERCIAL FUR LICENSE DOES NOT PERMIT A TRAPPER TO POSSESS, SELL, BARTER, OR EXCHANGE LIVE COYOTES TAKEN BY A TRAPPER, AND LIVE COYOTES MAY NOT BE SOLD OR TRANSFERRED TO AN OWNER OR ENCLOSURE OPERATOR OF A PERMITTED ENCLOSURE BY THE TRAPPER WHO TOOK THE ANIMAL.

Read the first time and referred to the Committee on Fish, Game and Forestry.


sen. dick elliott


District 28 - Dillon, Horry, Marion & Marlboro Cos.
Contact Address: (H) P.O. Box 3626, North Myrtle Beach, 29582

Home (843) 249-1449
(C) 601 Gressette Bldg., Columbia, 29201

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I don't mind the 25 yard setback...that's common sense if you ask me...coyotes not being allowed is stupid...as much as I hate to run em, they are nice to take a little pressure off the foxes...trapping also seems to be a more efficient way to control them than hunting them...just my 0.02

[frankiem]

Yepper going to have to give a call to him, we need to try and nip that one.

[sctrapper]

Everyone,
We are aware of this bill. I talked to Sen. Elliott myself last monday, he has been known to introduce some crazy bills in the past. This all stems from an attempt to put a fox pen very close to someones house in Horry county. The news media caught wind of it and it grew and grew as if a coyote that got out of a pen would ravage the countryside. We (The SC Trappers Assoc.) and others are working to see that it dies in committee, but we could use everyones help. Call your Senator and ask them to oppose this bill. If we take the monetary value off the coyote then there is no incentive to trap them, and trapping is the most effective way to control predator numbers.
Thanks,
Ricky

[frankiem]

Glad you posted Ricky, Anyway to get Info on The SC Trappers Assoc.?
can email me if you want or put it up here sure there's more that would like to know. Thanks,
Frank

[ncsuhunter]

good post sctrapper...like i said, i don't mind the 25 yard buffers, but the rest is ridiculous

[sonofdsouth72]

i will be glad to make some calls ... glad im finally regiestered to vote ... . looks like i wll be call David Thomas ... yaaaa !

[creekrat]

This suprises me that Sen. Elliott would propose such BS bill along with another regarding dogs. He has always been an advocate for the outdoorsman of this state. Hell, i'm even in his district have voted for him forever. If this passes it would political suicide on his part. He represents 4 counties in the eastern part of the state that are all rural except for the grand strand.

[sctrapper]

S1153 comes up in the Senate subcommittee this Wed. at 11:00. I have spoken to my Senator and he is on the side of trappers and pen operators. I will let everyone know what happens at the meeting

[Carolina Joe]

I would like to know more about how these Pen operations work? Do they let the hounds attack the yotes and foxes, or what do they do when the dogs get after 1? I just did a search and it was pretty nasty what I saw as to the treatment of the yotes. Don't get me wrong, I hate yotes, but I won't condone anything that promotes cruelty. I'm curious how they operate.

[sctrapper]

Joe,
The pens I sell to and know about try their best to protect the animals they buy. They spend way to much money on them to lose them by letting the dogs catch them. they have escape holes and other devices so the animals can get away and they also have enough game so the dogs don't run the same animal very long before they are on another trail. I'm know there are rouges in every sport but the ones I know about don't like for the dogs to catch the animals, in fact one pen will ban the hunters if they allow that to happen. I'm curious as to the search you did and where the info came from. Let me know I would like to look at it too.
Ricky

[sonofdsouth72]

well with the help of a forum member on here and another site i hope to be trapping by next season . so hopefully i can catch a few yotes and sell them to the pens if not o well some less yotes to kill the deer and other critters i hunt .

[ncsuhunter]

Joe...my guess is your search provided you with a page from the human society of the united states and their stance on fox pens...they will have you believe that fox pens are like cock fighting where the dogs are staged against the coyote and see which one comes out on top...ehhhhhhhh...wrong answer...HSUS's perverted view of things would have you believe that foxhunters are as bad or worse than dog fighters...I can promise you that when I take my dogs to a foxpen, I DO NOT want to catch any of the game in the pen

Fox pens are a safe haven for houndsmen to run their dogs. The dogs can't cross property lines and make somebody mad. They can't get in a highway and get run over or cause a wreck. All they can do is chase the game in the pen. There are mandated numbers of escape areas per acreage that have to be in the pens and most of the time there are more than the mandated minimum. Pen owners and houndsmen alike DO NOT want to catch the game in the pen. If you catch the game, the running stops. Foxes and coyotes alike most of the time are given a rabies vaccine and sometimes distemper vaccine prior to being released in the pens are regularly wormed for intestinal parasites. They are fed daily, enough so that they don't have to really compete for a meal. Animal rights activists would have you believe these animals are tortured and ripped to shreds. That couldn't be further from the truth. With all that being said, fox pens don't just allow a safe haven for the hounds to run in. Many benefit hunts are held yearly thoughout the areas that have fox pens benefitting communities, churches, people in need after sickness or lost loved ones, etc. Thousands upon thousands of dollars are raised for charities such as habitat for humanity and relay for life. Do not let the perverted views of the extreme animal rights activists lead you to believe something that isn't true.

[bp57]

I'll be darned if I see the point of this bill from an outsiders standpoint (I dog hunt and have hunted with NCSU, but don't own dogs). It's okay for yotes to run wild, kill domestic animals that they may have an opportunity to feed off of and possibly even pets (god forbid a young child), they can harass anything in the woods and eat everything that doesn't get out of their way first, but you can't harm them. That makes about as much sense as healthcare reform!!!!!!

I was almost run over and attacked by a yote this past hunting season. The sob came straight at me while i was walking in the woods and if I hadn't moved out of his way and fired an '06 round at him at about five feet, I don't know what he might have tried to do to me. He may have been rabid or he may have just been hungry, "but when an animal runs straight at you from over a hundred yards away, it wasn't because he liked me"!

A week later, I killed a deer and was trying to get him out of the woods when I had a dozen or so of them within a 100 yards of me packing up on me and if I hadn't hauled tail, I probably would have had to fight to get out of that track of woods. My son, who is 6' 4", shot one the very next day hunting from the same stand and didn't get a shot on 10 or 11 more! But he came out of the stand well before dark because they were all over the place running everything in the woods (deer included) that day! But we shouldn't harass those sorry POS'!

I think the person or persons that Elliot created this bill better come back down to the real world and see that this is going to be a serious issue in several years in SC and NC if something more isn't done. If they think that hogs are a problem, just let as many wild yotes multiply and see how bad it will get. At least hogs don't attack people unless they are cornered. I promise you a pack of wild yotes will.

I would love to get that kind of money for trapping the darn things and selling them off, but personally feel that there aren't enough pens in the area to support the numbers of yotes that could be made available to them. As I mentioned, you may trap one, but then you might have to fight off 10 more to get to the trap, especially if they feel that the one in the trap is their next meal!

I know that what Kevin (NCSU) is saying is true, or at least it is in the area that he runs dogs because I've been with him when he runs the foxes. Catching and killing them is not their intention at all. But I can also see the view of that as being inhumane too from anyone's standpoint. But since I don't trap, they sure as heck wouldn't like my opinion about them because all I can say is that "those crosshairs will sure make them have a bad day"!

Bubba

[Carolina Joe]

You know, I'm just wondering why the houndsmen don't run their dogs on public and (with permission) private land. I wouldn't have any issue with that. Especially with the growing, and in many areas, out of control, population explosion of yotes. Are there that many pens in the state? I've never even seen one. To pay 150.00 for a yote sounds to me like they are either escaping the pens or being killed in the pens, and the folks operating the pens buy them to restock.

I don't think they should stop yote hunting. or foxes, or Bobcats, or coons, or anything that's legal with hounds. But it should be fair chase. It wouldn't bother me if the hounds caught yotes in the wild. I just don't like the thought of the animal not having a fair chance to escape. Make no mistake, I will shoot any yote I can get a shot on. I don't shoot foxes or bobcats, but that's just my personal choice, so I'm Not a anti-dogging fan nor do I support any activist group. I'm just trying to understand. I would probably Love running hounds. Just not in enclosures.

[sctrapper]

Joe,
These pens are anywhere from 60 to 1900 acres, The smaller ones don't allow very many dogs and sometimes just puppies to run. There is a lot of room in 1000-1900 acres.
Ricky

[ncsuhunter]

Carolina Joe...did you not read my post? the pens are REQUIRED to have a certain number of man made escape areas for the game per acre. this does not include natural hideouts like log lap piles, dens they dig, etc. Grey foxes can climb trees. Reds and yotes can easily go up trees at 45 degree angles. more game is caught on the outside then in the pens. I know of a couple pens that have foxes in them that have been there 5+ years. I know of a pen that closes down and allows the foxes to raise in the pen. Many times new game is introduced into the pen because the game in the pen can become "pen smart" and run straight to a den or in a grey's case go right up as soon as it is started to be run. I don't pay $5 a dog to pleasure run and upwards of $45 a dog for a field trial to not have any running. When new game is introduced into the pen most of the time it's run using a few puppies to allow the game to learn the pen. Fox pens are NOT a place where I go to train my dogs to kill something. They are a place I go to run my dogs where I don't have to worry about them or deal with them crossing the wrong line on a piece of paper. Fox pens are about the only place a houndsmen can really completely enjoy listening to his hounds because he doesn't have to worry about them. This isn't like hunting a deer in a high fence where it has no where to escape. There are ample areas for the game to escape the hounds and like sc trapper mentioned if there is enough game in the pen it's switched up on enough that one piece of game isn't chased the entire time. Fox pens are a fair place to run hounds that provide a safe place for the hounds, ample escape areas for the game, and a great place to look at yoru hounds and see what you really have.

[Dusktodawn]

thats it the pen owners treat their game better than most lap doggy and kitty people treat their babies yet they do all they can to stop it when they do and their little babies r runnin around in the yard and a yote runs in and nabs it they will sing a different tune